Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean Marie Marcelin Gilibert

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The result was keep. Notability asserted (non-admin closure) Nightfury 08:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Jean Marie Marcelin Gilibert

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Unsourced, fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. » Shadowowl | talk 10:05, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:18, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

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• Delete no sources. We would need a few scholarly works on the Colombian police to show that his role in their formation has been recognized as significant.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:31, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
• Could possibly be redirected to History of the Colombian National Police - that article is currently unsourced, but there are newspaper articles on the history of Colombia's police force [1], [2], [3], academic papers [4] and a pamphlet written by a university professor and published by the Banco de la República, which is effectively the keeper of the national historical archives [5]. The question is whether any of these sources really provide any in-depth biographical detail about Gilibert, and if he is really just known for this WP:ONEEVENT. Richard3120 (talk) 00:42, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The sources located by Richard3120 need to be evaluated.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 02:26, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Taking the sources in order (nb., this is based on the machine translation)
- First El Tiempo article: Two paras of coverage about Gilibert, borderline for notability.
- Second El Tiempo article: Three paras with lots of biographical info, definite significant coverage.
- El Heraldo - passing mention, not SIGCOV.
- Academic paper - I don't have access to this and cannot assess it. Based on its subject matter (the establishing of the Colombian National Police) it seems likely that it would cover Gilibert's role in some depth though.
- The Banco national article - I am having trouble assessing whether this is or is not a blog. The listing as "Credential No. 23" for the article suggests it may be part of some kind of publication. In terms of content it is clearly significant coverage.
Based on the above I lean Keep per WP:BASIC and WP:NEXIST FOARP (talk) 08:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
PS - These sources found using the name "Marcelino Gilibert" should also be considered. It seems Gilibert was known by the Spanish version of his name, which may have complicated the BEFORE work for other searchers: 1 2 3 4. I'd say that WP:BASIC is met.FOARP (talk) 08:31, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

• Update - "Credential Historia" is the name of a Colombian magazine, the full name of which is "La revista credential historia", and which is nowadays known as "Revista Credential", so the Banco National article is from what appears to be an RS for Colombian history. As well as founding the Colombian National Police, Gilibert also appears to have played a role in the riots in Bogota in 1893 and uncovered a number of coup plots, so WP:ONEVENT does not apply. I've done my best to re-write the article and I hope it is satisfactory. PS - it is only when you consider that Colombia actually had a civil war in 1895 and this is not even mentioned on the timeline of Colombian history on Wiki, nor is there an article about it, that you realise how much stuff there is left to write about here. FOARP (talk) 08:24, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:17, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:17, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• Keep: thank you FOARP, I think there's definitely enough here now to keep the article, passing WP:GNG. Richard3120 (talk) 22:32, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

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