| Need a reply from Kiiruma. I don't see what he's seeing but maybe there's something there between Jor/FTF. Need more content from Kit. The more I think about it, the sketchier Jor's list seems with certain players being in different categories despite content being relatively the same. I feel there's more town motive in jumping straight into giving opinions on everyone, but more interactions are needed anyway. Tainted - town. Phraze, Astros, and yurkin town as well (a bit less strongly though). |
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Phraze said: That's true. Let's ask him.maybe a more accurate way to describe Ironace's post is, sheeping opinions. he usually sheeps, but tends to chime in with his opinion as town. didn't see that here. @ironace @Kit Reads? |
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RE said: he complained in prev game too. kinda expected I think.Phraze said: He complained about nobody being around yet his own contributions weren't great. I asked for reads and he focused solely on the scum (scum don't need to find town, they need to find town they can push as scum). The main factor is him thinking my scum game improved. I disagree, and of all people, he should as well.@RE can u explain why Abu is suspicious to u? I think his hesitation here could be due to the prev game, and before, wherein his bulldozing wasn't helpful to town. I also feel boldness isn't AI for him. He has claimed scum as scum more than once. (My confidence is around ~37%) and yeah, he has been daring as scum ik, but the tone easily changes if he isn't town. what I'm focusing on is the consistency in his approach, not the entrance. when Bajar voted him, he asked for explanation instead of blowing elsewhere - tunneling is kinda AI from him lol, but my point is that he doesn't seem to bend easily here (and he does as scum iirc). |
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Phraze said: It wasn't a bad reaction. Yep, in previous games as scum, he may have OMGUS'd him. But I've warned him about that. Will need more though.RE said: he complained in prev game too. kinda expected I think.He complained about nobody being around yet his own contributions weren't great. I asked for reads and he focused solely on the scum (scum don't need to find town, they need to find town they can push as scum). The main factor is him thinking my scum game improved. I disagree, and of all people, he should as well. I also feel boldness isn't AI for him. He has claimed scum as scum more than once. (My confidence is around ~37%) and yeah, he has been daring as scum ik, but the tone easily changes if he isn't town. what I'm focusing on is the consistency in his approach, not the entrance. when Bajar voted him, he asked for explanation instead of blowing elsewhere - tunneling is kinda AI from him lol, but my point is that he doesn't seem to bend easily here (and he does as scum iirc). edit: added word |
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| I'm going to interject here as I want to be more present in the active game this time around. I have several days off so I'm with no shortage of time. However, the more I back read the more my mind becomes a haze. Hoping having something to discuss and focus my train of thought on will help. Phraze said: Do you notice any other differences in her play this round so far and Bob's Burgers? I see RE's play being more reactive or less intense this time around. I can't really point to specific posts and compared them with Bob's Burgers. But, I'm getting a lack of intensity from their posts so far. I would mention how they suspected me yet didn't press until the end of the day, but they know of my busy schedule so I can't say that wasn't taken into consideration. RE - haven't seen her scumgame yet, but emotional player? shouldn't be that hard. Phraze said: For some reason. My brain wants to place Abu and Logic in the same category. Up until recently I've been wondering why their playstyle has changed so dramatically. What can you tell me about Abu? I've played with them before, but all I recall is their aggressiveness.Abu - bold entrance and consistent posts later. he understands me from prev game aka not opportunistic in my book. Phraze said: I assume if they aren't confident one way or the other they feel uncomfortable with a lynch. I'm very much the same way, and it's why I seldom vote unless I have something to go on.Jormandur - readlist looks elementary. why does no-opinion mean not-in-lynch-option? the way he rvs'd me looked rolefishy, and even tho passed off as a joke, said I seemed to be hiding something? hope I'm not remembering readlist wrongly cuz mobile typing Overlooking their "solid analysis" I wonder why hunting is prevalent in some opinions and not others. I can understand the no content's lacking it, but not those who had content It seems almost like an add on to make the list legitimate. Especially when you considering there's more to being town than merely hunting. |
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Astros said: Okay, I see what you mean after reading the post again. Fair enough.starpendle said: I never said I wanted to lynch Flush. I simply stated I disliked their posting habit and found their reasons for suspicion as poor. Largely as that was the only thing I felt relevant to add onto. I find it weird mainly because your first post was joke post to go along with mine, but then you show up afterward to being dead set to lynch Flush, not really saying much otherwise. I thought Flush's reads were fine since there was so little to go on to scumhunt at the time, though I feel like he should be the one replying to the rest. Also I don't really know you or most of the people here, so I have no idea what your previous play is. And what does RVS mean? Been seeing that term brought up. Personally I'm ready to hack them back up. This was a play on Phrazes word choice. In that they were going to take the time to digest or think about Flush's play. I on the other hand had already made an opinion from the handful of posts already seen.Though, this doesn't really explain why it is weird. Are you trying to say a tonal shift made it seem off? RVS (Random Voting Stage) or the random voting done at the start of each mafia game by the majority. Personally I'm not a fan of such. The misunderstanding was why I thought it was weird, because yeah your second post wanting to hack somebody up (I thought you meant like cut them into pieces / lynch) seemed a little excessive to me. Okay, because yeah same here most of the time. Hmm... |
Astros said: In Bob's Burgers, I made the mistake of making heavy assumptions which led to a spiral of misunderstandings and TvTs. While I think assumptions are necessary to forward the game, the manner in which I make them can affect whether I get caught up fighting with town or not or know when to back off.Do you notice any other differences in her play this round so far and Bob's Burgers? I see RE's play being more reactive or less intense this time around. I can't really point to specific posts and compared them with Bob's Burgers. But, I'm getting a lack of intensity from their posts so far. I would mention how they suspected me yet didn't press until the end of the day, but they know of my busy schedule so I can't say that wasn't taken into consideration. |
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| As for not explaining the read, had nothing to do with your schedule. Explained that I find it fun and it may sometimes attract scum. |
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RE said: True. In light of that your approach currently isn't all that odd. I hadn't considered you'd take an approach to improving that aspect of your play immediately. In Bob's Burgers, I made the mistake of making heavy assumptions which led to a spiral of misunderstandings and TvTs. While I think assumptions are necessary to forward the game, the manner in which I make them can affect whether I get caught up fighting with town or not or know when to back off. RE said: Alright. I did get that notion from your reply. It was an admission of guilt while downplaying the fact. Allowing an* opening for further shade or discussion. As for not explaining the read, had nothing to do with your schedule. Explained that I find it fun and it may sometimes attract scum. Edit: And to an* |
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Astros said: I think it can be interpreted in that manner, however I mean scum may attack me for not explaining. It has happened. We lynched him that day :pRE said: Alright. I did get that notion from your reply. It was an admission of guilt while downplaying the fact. Allowing an* opening for further shade or discussion. As for not explaining the read, had nothing to do with your schedule. Explained that I find it fun and it may sometimes attract scum. Edit: And to an* |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Astros said: I'm going to interject here as I want to be more present in the active game this time around. I have several days off so I'm with no shortage of time. However, the more I back read the more my mind becomes a haze. Hoping having something to discuss and focus my train of thought on will help. Phraze said: Do you notice any other differences in her play this round so far and Bob's Burgers? I see RE's play being more reactive or less intense this time around. I can't really point to specific posts and compared them with Bob's Burgers. But, I'm getting a lack of intensity from their posts so far. I would mention how they suspected me yet didn't press until the end of the day, but they know of my busy schedule so I can't say that wasn't taken into consideration. RE - haven't seen her scumgame yet, but emotional player? shouldn't be that hard. Phraze said: For some reason. My brain wants to place Abu and Logic in the same category. Up until recently I've been wondering why their playstyle has changed so dramatically. What can you tell me about Abu? I've played with them before, but all I recall is their aggressiveness.Abu - bold entrance and consistent posts later. he understands me from prev game aka not opportunistic in my book. Phraze said: I assume if they aren't confident one way or the other they feel uncomfortable with a lynch. I'm very much the same way, and it's why I seldom vote unless I have something to go on.Jormandur - readlist looks elementary. why does no-opinion mean not-in-lynch-option? the way he rvs'd me looked rolefishy, and even tho passed off as a joke, said I seemed to be hiding something? hope I'm not remembering readlist wrongly cuz mobile typing Overlooking their "solid analysis" I wonder why hunting is prevalent in some opinions and not others. I can understand the no content's lacking it, but not those who had content It seems almost like an add on to make the list legitimate. Especially when you considering there's more to being town than merely hunting. - I think the first game back after MAL's downtime was the reason for aggression. tbf Abu and me were pretty aggressive in that game, and my activity was high. fresh out of hibernation stuff. - Logic was Abu's coach, understandable lol. and, maybe he's readjusting to MS (after MAL's downtime). things I noticed so far is that I don't see a reluctance in responding to accusations or inactivity. - narrowing the lynch pool is understandable, but the reasons feel, as u say, tacked on. town would at least try to get an informative lynch, if not scum. list looks elementary to me, without those backup reasons town usually have (eg. information). |
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Kiiruma said: Bajar is obviously joking tbh I realized it thats why I read him v earlier.Page 1: Some RVS, some discussion of numbers. Only weird thing is some things Bajar said, but I'm not sure if that's due to being new here or whether being fairly scummy. Page 2: More discussion about potential setup. A bit of comparison between NAI, Town and Gambler's Fallacy. Page 3: Bajar continues to do nothing except be extremely weird. How was Karote being scummy? However there seems to be some small reads already and nothing seems particularly off yet. Page 4: FTF finally posts something that I find particularly interesting, about 1 posters and Jor reacts in a way which I find to be quite normal. Considering I haven't seen them before, is it possible they've planned this out? RE commented on Yurkin too but from what I've seen it seems pretty accurate. Page 5: RE super confused me for a few minutes. So it was an original scumread but now it's a townread? Yet you're not really questioning Jor. Also, Jor's reads are interesting but they don't see scum hiding in the non-posters? That's pretty interesting Right now I'm just concerned on how far he will take it. |
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Phraze said: slip is different from a claim thowe all know the witch ate muffin, but does the story make her evil yet? and nah, I don't like claiming to begin with - when pushed, I only soft or half-claim...or not at all. thought u knew that by now? hmm.. Slip is unintentional |
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Phraze said: I don't recall Abu being in Bob's Burgers. Though, that's a reasonable explanation. I tend to think that town is a bit more aggressive than timid or inexperienced Mafia.- I think the first game back after MAL's downtime was the reason for aggression. tbf Abu and me were pretty aggressive in that game, and my activity was high. fresh out of hibernation stuff. Phraze said: Was hesitation/reluctance common in the past?-things I noticed so far is that I don't see a reluctance in responding to accusations or inactivity. |
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RE said: My standards are usually high when it comes what is pure but yeah I thought he looks good earlier he's def therestarpendle said: Random voting stage, people voting people for absurd or no reasons at all. For wagon analysis... Or something.And what does RVS mean? Been seeing that term brought up. (Also, I think he was asking FTF to explain why it was weird for people to drop in for a post or two and then disappear.) @Tainted I find starpendle's tone pure. Am I wrong? |
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| You and Phraze for the moment. Based on your activity and lack of glaring posts or inconsistencies. The intensity bit bothered me before Phraze mentioned Bob's Burgers being a return game for you all. I had been out of the Mafia loop for so long that it hadn't occurred to me. I'm liking starpendle's play so far as well. They followed up on their suspicions and were able to calmly back off when it was clear that a misunderstanding took place. I don't see any point in Mafia making a play such as that so it seems to be a genuine town play. Other than that I'm not willing to give anyone else the benefit of the doubt. They either show signs of poor town play (Flush) or NAI behavior. That and limiting their content to a single discussion. Really, while I get lulled into a haze by back reading regularly I wish there was more content. We have a full 24 hours left so hopefully we can get the ball rolling more. |
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Astros said: I doubt someone would actually used being from MU as an excuse lolBeing from MU can easily be used as an excuse.I'm not saying it is, but the possibility is there. Personally, it's not a heavy indicator of alignment, but I just simply dislike how it muddles up the game thread more than necessary. Making back reading and getting a sense for current debates all the more challenging. It's detrimental overall. Not gonna lie tho thats mostly the reason why MU's meta could be overwhelming for new people but whether it's really anti town or not is debatable for me personally I find walls a bother to read |
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Tainted said: Why not? Admittedly it's a poor one, but not all together ignored. One merely has to look at how it's already been excused without verbal request to see that.I doubt someone would actually used being from MU as an excuse lol Not gonna lie tho thats mostly the reason why MU's meta could be overwhelming for new people but whether it's really anti town or not is debatable for me personally I find walls a bother to read By walls do you mean large analytical or composite posts? At first I thought you meant walls to mean walls of short replies and was glad someone shared my distaste. Though, if you wanted to debate it I wouldn't be against it. As long as we don't get carried away >_>... |
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Phraze said: maybe a more accurate way to describe Ironace's post is, sheeping opinions. he usually sheeps, but tends to chime in with his opinion as town. didn't see that here. Was confused about this post but ironace only posted two posts I think The rvs and the one below ironace said: I don't think this is called a sheep?hmmm so i decided to wait a while before posting inorder for some content to get out, but all i get is 5 pages of nothing >_> Usually game explodes from rvs and people start sorting things out soon enough in this game is fluff/past games/and nothing that can move the game forward(thats just how i feel) As for who has given me scum vibes so far-This is just a feeling but abu seems off. My meta read on him is old but from what i recall his town game is quite good. HE is no nonsense and his points are valid. However, i feel nothing like that abu here. Thats just how i feel right now, maybe that will change once the game moves forward. As for others, time will tell. And as for his own opinions isn't meta called "his own opinions" since it's based on his own understanding of a person? |
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Astros said: false dichotomy notedPhraze said: Personally I'm ready to hack them back up. Making [i]something[i] out of nothing and with a spam posting habit to boot. The latter is more detrimental than the former to town's play and yet they present both. Flusher will take some time for me to digest |
AbuHumaid said: it's just the weirdest fucking thingForgotToFlush said: What's so weird about it? Are you scum-reading the one posters?anyway reads not much to be learnt only thing that irks me is like the people who only posted once like not zero posters one posters what's up with that it's so weird |
RE said: AbuHumaid said: town!yurkin = edgy af, not afraid to confront otherselaborate, I still have no idea how to read yurkin tbh, yet you already have a read from just one word she said? Pretty impressive. scum!yurkin = can mimic this usually but eventually shows hesitation Since she just got out of a scum game, I'm sure it'll be a bit more difficult to catch her if she is scum, since she can curb these tells, but that was the impression I got from her post. Less of an analysis of what she said and more of I saw her mindset. I also was tempted to call ironace's RVS post town, but I decided the humor could come from either alignment. completely arbitrary tells like this are one of my many issues with playermeta but I'm saving that ted talk for another day |
Jormandur said: ForgotToFlush said: anyway reads not much to be learnt only thing that irks me is like the people who only posted once like not zero posters one posters what's up with that it's so weird What is weird about it? who the hell opens up a thread makes ONE post and leaves?? ignore me doing this earlier that was with reason same thing with riku i think |
lot to unpack here Now a little bit about me: I sometimes I expect people to fill in the gaps Like if I can make this deduction then anyone else probably can and the way I see it most people are probably going to scum-read a zero poster more than a one poster but I think coming into the thread and making one post is an inherently scummy way of dodging that suspicion altogether I've thought about it more and it might even be attributed to internal self defense mechanisms All in all it's a really weird quirky thing As for 107 I mentioned later that the "all scum here" thing was a joke and you're now the second person to read too deeply into it, so thanks for that Anyway more about me: I'm very much a conersationalist. SO expect me to talk a lot, maybe even too much, I just usually have something to add once I'm in the mood. If I'm not in the mood though, I'll just not bother to say anything at all. It's this really weird duality thing I got going on |
Tainted said: a lot of people find it antitown but personally i just read it all anywayAstros said: I doubt someone would actually used being from MU as an excuse lolBeing from MU can easily be used as an excuse.I'm not saying it is, but the possibility is there. Personally, it's not a heavy indicator of alignment, but I just simply dislike how it muddles up the game thread more than necessary. Making back reading and getting a sense for current debates all the more challenging. It's detrimental overall. Not gonna lie tho thats mostly the reason why MU's meta could be overwhelming for new people but whether it's really anti town or not is debatable for me personally I find walls a bother to read i just happen to have a lot of free time |
| all caught up reads list soon does this site have an iso feature |
| Yes: ctrl + F [# of posts player has] |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE said: do you people hold this site together by the power of will and duct tape .-.Yes: ctrl + F [# of posts player has] (mu has spoiled me) |
Astros said: It's too common there it's kinda like how games here usually start with rvs. Tainted said: Why not? Admittedly it's a poor one, but not all together ignored. One merely has to look at how it's already been excused without verbal request to see that.I doubt someone would actually used being from MU as an excuse lol Not gonna lie tho thats mostly the reason why MU's meta could be overwhelming for new people but whether it's really anti town or not is debatable for me personally I find walls a bother to read By walls do you mean large analytical or composite posts? At first I thought you meant walls to mean walls of short replies and was glad someone shared my distaste. Though, if you wanted to debate it I wouldn't be against it. As long as we don't get carried away >_>... I mean the kind of wall texts post which you could really just sum up in just 1 or 2 sentence. |
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ForgotToFlush said: We are better than MTGS in that our vote counts are usually updated in the OP, and we have a tag function.RE said: do you people hold this site together by the power of will and duct tape .-.Yes: ctrl + F [# of posts player has] (mu has spoiled me) But yes, we are significantly worse than MU. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Tainted said: I'm missing nothing by staying here then. I see.It's too common there it's kinda like how games here usually start with rvs. I mean the kind of wall texts post which you could really just sum up in just 1 or 2 sentence. |
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Tainted said: if u wanna put it that way, have I ever 'slipped'? u also should know I haven't. hmm..Phraze said: slip is different from a claim thowe all know the witch ate muffin, but does the story make her evil yet? and nah, I don't like claiming to begin with - when pushed, I only soft or half-claim...or not at all. thought u knew that by now? hmm.. Slip is unintentional |
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Tainted said: he didn't try to pocket or shade with said reasons@Phraze I'd like to know how Abu understanding you from prev game make him not opportunistic here. |
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| actually new jojo ep is out so i'll do the readslist some time else lolme off the top of my head RE and shattiel town but that might just be because I know who they are more whenever i feel like it |
Phraze said: If Bajar is town, this reasoning works. If he's scum, distancing.Tainted said: he didn't try to pocket or shade with said reasons@Phraze I'd like to know how Abu understanding you from prev game make him not opportunistic here. |
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Tainted said: Phraze said: maybe a more accurate way to describe Ironace's post is, sheeping opinions. he usually sheeps, but tends to chime in with his opinion as town. didn't see that here. Was confused about this post but ironace only posted two posts I think The rvs and the one below ironace said: I don't think this is called a sheep?hmmm so i decided to wait a while before posting inorder for some content to get out, but all i get is 5 pages of nothing >_> Usually game explodes from rvs and people start sorting things out soon enough in this game is fluff/past games/and nothing that can move the game forward(thats just how i feel) As for who has given me scum vibes so far-This is just a feeling but abu seems off. My meta read on him is old but from what i recall his town game is quite good. HE is no nonsense and his points are valid. However, i feel nothing like that abu here. Thats just how i feel right now, maybe that will change once the game moves forward. As for others, time will tell. And as for his own opinions isn't meta called "his own opinions" since it's based on his own understanding of a person? was referring to that post. it's elaborate fluff. meta isn't opinion, it's a reference. over reliance on references is lazy, and more scum than town. |
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RE said: what does Bajar have to do with this tho? Tainted asked why Abu understanding me means he isn't opportunistic. I'm saying it isn't since he didn't advance any hidden agenda like reading me negatively with old game reasons.Phraze said: If Bajar is town, this reasoning works. If he's scum, distancing.he didn't try to pocket or shade with said reasons |
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ForgotToFlush said: so u play by meta?actually new jojo ep is out so i'll do the readslist some time else lolme off the top of my head RE and shattiel town but that might just be because I know who they are more whenever i feel like it |
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Phraze said: Wasn't paying attention to what Tainted said. Still was thinking about Abu not lashing back at Bajar.RE said: what does Bajar have to do with this tho? Tainted asked why Abu understanding me means he isn't opportunistic. I'm saying it isn't since he didn't advance any hidden agenda like reading me negatively with old game reasons.If Bajar is town, this reasoning works. If he's scum, distancing. That said, there is still a worrisome number of players who've yet to provide reads. @Karote Did you roll scum this time? |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Astros said: it's good for adaptability I guess.. you get all sorts of people thereTainted said: I'm missing nothing by staying here then. I see.It's too common there it's kinda like how games here usually start with rvs. I mean the kind of wall texts post which you could really just sum up in just 1 or 2 sentence. |
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Tainted said: You learn new techniques from different players too.Astros said: it's good for adaptability I guess.. you get all sorts of people thereI'm missing nothing by staying here then. I see. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Phraze said: not in the traditional sense of people relying on 1-2 tells per person and working with thatForgotToFlush said: so u play by meta?actually new jojo ep is out so i'll do the readslist some time else lolme off the top of my head RE and shattiel town but that might just be because I know who they are more whenever i feel like it it's just that familiarity with a person helps me feel better about them |
Phraze said: I don't think I'll ever remember that phraze lol I cant even remember what I ate yesterdayif u wanna put it that way, have I ever 'slipped'? u also should know I haven't. hmm.. |
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| In several hours I will make an assessment Should be fun |
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